tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post4453940116657173627..comments2024-03-28T04:26:30.557-05:00Comments on Boston 1775: Looking for “Taxation Without Representation”Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-85548167992529815582022-07-30T22:47:00.331-05:002022-07-30T22:47:00.331-05:00Six comments up someone wrote about the Rev. Georg...Six comments up someone wrote about the Rev. George Phillips. Five comments up I repeated that this 2009 posting was about the <i>phrase</i> “(no) taxation without representation,” not the philosophical argument. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-78536130080801934402022-07-30T22:14:49.477-05:002022-07-30T22:14:49.477-05:00I thought or “heard” that that phrase, taxation wi...I thought or “heard” that that phrase, taxation without representation was first uttered by Sir Richard Saltonstall’s reverend George Phillips in 1632, because Newtowne or now called Cambridge tried to tax Watertown unfairly… nuf said!<br />Karl H Neugebauernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-3961546135099881782022-07-30T20:39:47.833-05:002022-07-30T20:39:47.833-05:00The 1764 citation is not actually from 1764.
Yes...The 1764 citation is not actually from 1764. <br /><br />Yes, it’s in a Google Books volume that’s catalogued as published in 1764. But that volume from the British Library consists of several pamphlets bound together. <i>The Present State of Navigation on the Thames Considered</i> in indeed from 1764, but it’s only the first 46 pages of the file. Then comes <i>Unpolluted Streams</i> by George Coode, dated 1858. The typography changes visibly, with no more long s or other standards of eighteenth-century printing. <br /><br />The “taxation without representation” phrase appeared in a pamphlet called <i>Notes on Toll Reform</i> by J. E. Bradfield (1856), quoting an article from the <i>Times of London</i> that year. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-66918968338604105052022-07-30T20:31:21.408-05:002022-07-30T20:31:21.408-05:00Since writing this article in 2009, I’ve written a...Since writing this article in 2009, I’ve written a few more on the topic, including <a href="https://boston1775.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-earliest-appearance-of-no-taxation.html" rel="nofollow">this 2012 posting</a> discussing the <i>London Magazine</i> heading.<br /><br />Some of those postings, including the one about the magazine printer, went into a <a href="https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/05/no-taxation-without-representation-part-1/" rel="nofollow">pair of</a> <a href="https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/05/no-taxation-without-representation-part-2/" rel="nofollow">articles</a> for the <i>Journal of the American Revolution</i> website, later combined into one article for a printed <i>J.A.R.</i> volume. <br /><br />As of today, the <i>London Magazine</i> remains the earliest use of the phrase that I’ve seen. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-2923198308761084812022-07-29T16:29:33.603-05:002022-07-29T16:29:33.603-05:00Here is a reference to the phrase in a 1764 book p...Here is a reference to the phrase in a 1764 book printed in England: https://bit.ly/3vrfSRB <br /><br />Here it is used in The London Magazine, Or, Gentleman's Monthly Intelligencer, Volume 37 from 1768: https://bit.ly/3cRqPW6 David Hurwitzhttps://twitter.com/davidWonderlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-76135320715918539882016-09-13T17:22:22.869-05:002016-09-13T17:22:22.869-05:00As the first sentence of the posting above says, a...As the first sentence of the posting above says, and the second comment above repeats, I was looking for the <i>phrase</i> “taxation without representation.” <br /><br />I’ve read articles about the Rev. George Phillips of Watertown. They don’t quote him, his supporters, or his opponents using that phrase. If you have period writings to show that the phrase appeared during that mid-1600s controversy, I would be pleased to see it. After the American Revolution and John Adams’s letter on James Otis’s writs of assistance article, many authors have projected the “taxation without representation” argument back in time, but none have cited a document with that phrase from before 1768.<br /><br />“Freeman” was a legal term in 17th-century Massachusetts, designating someone with the right to vote. The Winthrop Society has transcribed the <a href="http://winthropsociety.com/doc_freemen.php" rel="nofollow">list of freemen</a> from 1630 and subsequent years. George Phillips appears on that list but not first. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-42180722397634730162016-09-13T15:08:08.596-05:002016-09-13T15:08:08.596-05:00I am the 8th great grandson of Rev George Phillips...I am the 8th great grandson of Rev George Phillips. My 8th Great Grandfather Rev Phillips is in fact the first person to Protest "No taxation without representation". There is a lot of documentation to this fact, so much so that there is a park with historical designation at the sight that this first protest occurred at. My understanding is not only was he first to protest, he is the first free man.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580559075504273420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-91963972227312067582011-07-02T22:35:05.346-05:002011-07-02T22:35:05.346-05:00Hello, I don't know if you will see a comment ...Hello, I don't know if you will see a comment on a post that is two years old, but I wanted to say "Thank you" for your work on this. Your account of how "No Taxation without Representation" worked its way into the Wikipedia account of the Declaration of Independence was most illuminating. It is highly encouraging to me that there are people out there in the ethernet that are paying at this level.<br /><br />I am preparing for a Sunday Morning Conversation at Bluebonnet Hills Christian Church, and your comments were helpful. Landon Shultz, Austin, TXBridgefinderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10843854582472801634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-33480379963072604442009-04-28T16:57:00.000-05:002009-04-28T16:57:00.000-05:00Phillips was one of many people who have based pol...Phillips was one of many people who have based political protests on the principle of “no taxation without representation (or some other say in the taxation process)” over the centuries. But I don’t see any contemporaneous account saying he used that phrase, which is what I’m looking for. <br /><br />Best wishes for your birthday!J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-41552387140901921202009-04-28T16:43:00.000-05:002009-04-28T16:43:00.000-05:00Sorry to intrude, but I thought the first person t...Sorry to intrude, but I thought the first person to utter those words "No taxation without representation" was Rev. George Phillips in 1632. It is part of the Founders Monument depicting Sir Richard Saltonstall and decorated with the bas-relief of Roger Clap’s landing and the anti-tax protest of 1632. The monument and bas-reliefs were sculpted by Henry Hudson Kitson, who also sculpted the Capt. Parker Minuteman Statue on Lexington Green, and the statue of Roger Conant in Salem, MA. Our Founder’s Monument is located at the intersections of Riverside St. and Charles River Road. It will be rededicated in about a month on Saturday, June 6, 2009 at 1 PM... btw, it's also my birthday ;^} Sincerely Karl H. NeugebauerHistorical Society of Watertownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08457388135575254532noreply@blogger.com