tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post6535617459659906758..comments2024-03-14T13:25:20.613-05:00Comments on Boston 1775: Did Washington Say, “Let history huzzah for you”? Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-85205329105824726982012-09-09T07:41:34.732-05:002012-09-09T07:41:34.732-05:00Thank you for your wonderful topics :)Thank you for your wonderful topics :)Wohnungsräumunghttp://www.luxusumzug.at/wohnungsraeumung-wien.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-37475603873983039022012-09-05T21:21:54.781-05:002012-09-05T21:21:54.781-05:00Thanks for another interesting example of the chan...Thanks for another interesting example of the changing presentation of Washington. I must first say that editors didn't catch <i>all</i> the appearances of the phrase in Irving's biography; I found a couple of editions from the late 1800s that include it, and such biographers as Ron Chernow include the quotation as well. <br /><br />Irving was a Romantic, and much more interested in depicting emotions than eighteenth-century Classicists had been interested in preserving them. Sometimes his recreations of events seem dubious. <br /><br />On the other hand, the disappearance or deemphasis of that point might well reflect changing ideals of masculinity as the nineteenth century went on, back to a real man not letting his emotions overcome him. <br /><br />There's a similar shift in discussions of the physicality of Gen. Washington: stories of him hefting big rocks, as discussed last month, for example. And then there's a long argument over whether Washington ever swore, which seems to have more to do with manly ideals of the time than evaluating evidence.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-72488137444122782792012-09-05T15:30:34.415-05:002012-09-05T15:30:34.415-05:00Another alleged incident involving eye witness acc...Another alleged incident involving eye witness accounts was when General Washington observed the fall of Fort Washington from the west bank of the Hudson near Fort Lee. Both David McCullough (1776) and David Hackett-Fischer report Washington, after observing the surrender of about 2,800 American troops, wept"with the tenderness of a child." McCullough doubts whether Washington wept "given his well documented imperturbability." Hackett-Fischer drops a very interesting foot note as follows: "Washington Irving was told of this event by men who were with Washington as he watched the fall of the fort from the Jersey Palisades;'it is said so completely to have overcome him, that he wept, with the tenderness of a child.'" The citation is to the 1855-1859 edition of Irving's five volume biography of George Washington. And then comes this comment- "this passage was removed from later editions and is not mentioned by most of Washington's biographers." It may be true and Irving in fact interviewed those who were there with Washington. Whether or not their memories were correct is another matter. But, if it is true, the deletion is an effort to shape Washington's image more in keeping with the "imperturbable" General, first in war, first in peace and first in the hearts of his countrymen.Marty GanzglassMartin R. Ganzglasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07155582377540135579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-67868479274121396662012-09-05T01:36:04.050-05:002012-09-05T01:36:04.050-05:00Revolutionary War veteran Lemuel Cook gives this a...Revolutionary War veteran Lemuel Cook gives this account of the surrender at Yorktown. It is in "The Last Men of the Revolution" (my reprint is available on Kindle): "We were on a kind of side hill. We had plaguey little to eat and nothing to drink under heaven. We hove up some brush to keep the flies off. Washington ordered that there should be no laughing at the British; said it was bad enough to surrender without being insulted. The army came out with guns clubbed on their backs. They were paraded on a great smooth lot, and there they stacked their arms." -- Joe BaumanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-47467654507477405482012-09-04T19:57:51.940-05:002012-09-04T19:57:51.940-05:00A musician friend who's active in a fife and d...A musician friend who's active in a fife and drum company once told me that the "World Turned Upside Down" story is another misquote. He said that a contemporary report of the incident said that Cornwallis's musicians played "as if the world turned upside down," meaning at a melancholy pace, and with sad expressions on their faces. Somehow, in later tellings of the incident, my friend said, the "as if" was omitted and later writers assumed that "The World Turned Upside Down" was a reference to the tune's title.<br /><br />There is at least one tune of that title in the modern repertoire of traditional English music, often played by fife and drum re-enactors and by other folk musicians. Many musicians, when they play it, say that it was the tune played at Cornwallis's surrender.<br /><br />Not being a historian of music myself, I can't vouch for the story either way.<br />Charles Bahnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-44117211164035172222012-09-04T19:26:59.218-05:002012-09-04T19:26:59.218-05:00I read the Aug 16 post chasing down the origin of ...I read the Aug 16 post chasing down the origin of the purported G. Washington quote -- good sleuthing! <br /><br />Byron DeLearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13638376079810491723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-8673293756727696182012-09-04T09:26:57.927-05:002012-09-04T09:26:57.927-05:00Another alleged incident where Washington allowed ... Another alleged incident where Washington allowed his vanquished foes to "save face" was at Yorktown. when Cornwallis asked that his drummers and musicians be allowed to play them out from their fortifications Washington reluctantly agreed. Supposedly they played a tune called The World Turned Upside Down but at a much more melancholy pace than usual.Joanqnoreply@blogger.com