tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post6566586632214864306..comments2024-03-14T13:25:20.613-05:00Comments on Boston 1775: John Raymond’s Lost Son?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-31015678076319909032011-10-01T15:33:42.559-05:002011-10-01T15:33:42.559-05:00Thanks again for further documentation. A 2 Feb 17...Thanks again for further documentation. A 2 Feb 1774 birth date (however the descendants came up with that) would break the link to Isaac and Rebecca Raymond of Lexington. It would also explain the baby being named after Isaac Royall; he wasn’t yet a disliked exile. <br /><br />Rebecca Livermore was Isaac R. Raymond’s second wife, according to other sources, and they married in New York. So the family link to Paxton probably isn’t helpful for finding out where the man really came from.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-12522404450727800912011-10-01T01:11:53.058-05:002011-10-01T01:11:53.058-05:00UPDATE:
I found a scan of the grandson of Isaac R...UPDATE:<br /><br />I found a scan of the grandson of Isaac Royal Raymond, Albert Raymond Barnes's application to the Sons of the American Revolution in 1913 when he was Attorney General of Utah.<br /><br />It lists Isaac's death date as 22 Nov. 1853, his birth date as 02 Feb. 1774, and his wife's name as Rebecca Livermore.<br /><br />Barnes doesn't say where he got the birth date for Isaac from or anything about John Raymond. It does say that Rebecca's grandfather, Pvt. Jason Livermore, marched to Cambridge from Paxton under Capt. Phineas Moore after they heard about Lexington and Concord on 19 Apr. 1775. But it also includes such dubious details like melting their pewter for bullets before marching, so I don't know how accurate Barnes's information is.FT Argle-Barglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117310370225620357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-9525893758469859582011-09-30T17:13:02.788-05:002011-09-30T17:13:02.788-05:00Thanks for adding the information from the census....Thanks for adding the information from the census. The 1850 census certainly suggests that Isaac R. Raymond said he was born in 1780. (The other censuses are consistent with those and with a birth year of 1775, too.) <br /><br />The Isaac Raymond documented in Lexington was born in 1770. <br /><br />The one the family later described (according to the county history) was “less than a year old” when the Revolutionary War began, suggesting a birth in 1774 or early 1775. So the family couldn’t have had solid evidence of Isaac’s birth in 1770. <br /><br />The appearance of “Isaac Royal” is still odd. The Loyalist Isaac Royall was in exile in London in 1780, and his bequest to Harvard not yet known, so he was probably still <i>persona non grata</i>.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-71504260617496903942011-09-29T17:11:22.883-05:002011-09-29T17:11:22.883-05:00I don't believe it's likely that the Isaac...I don't believe it's likely that the Isaac R. Raymond who lived in Tioga County New York was a son of John Raymond of Lexington. <br /><br />I found his listing in the 1850 census and Isaac lists his age as 70, birthplace as Mass., and his occupation as hotel keeper. His ages in the 2 previous censuses are consistent even though exact ages weren't noted in those years. (60-69 in 1840 and 40-49 in 1830)<br /><br />If British soldiers had killed John Raymond leaving a pregnant widow, why wasn't it mentioned/propagandized at the time or any other time before 1886?, or a birth recorded for Isaac Royal in the Lexington birth records in 1775?, or even more importantly if there is no surviving record... how did it end up in the 1886 book?<br /><br />The differences of the 1886 book with the birth records and the 1879 article lead me to suspect that Isaac R. Raymond's descendants in New York knew he was born in Mass. but incorrectly linked him to a different Isaac Raymond, one with an interesting back story. And that the writer of the 1886 book got the information about Isaac R. Raymond's life from his family and was trying to shoehorn his age to fit the time span of John and Rebecca Raymonds' lifetimes.<br /><br />The most notable example I can think of that's similar to this possibility was when a family in Texas incorrectly claimed to be a descendant of Annie Moore, the first immigrant thru Ellis Island because she had the same name.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/getting-history-wrong_b_378996.htmlFT Argle-Barglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117310370225620357noreply@blogger.com