tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post4135683518134246288..comments2024-03-28T04:26:30.557-05:00Comments on Boston 1775: The Mysteries of Thompson MaxwellUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-5592374851259477382019-05-31T08:37:58.719-05:002019-05-31T08:37:58.719-05:00Many were there from Wars' beginning to Yorkto...Many were there from Wars' beginning to Yorktown.It was an Elite crew!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881704344383659734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-60549268472526396762014-11-19T13:54:14.035-05:002014-11-19T13:54:14.035-05:00Thanks for adding that to the discussion. The Maxw...Thanks for adding that to the discussion. The Maxwell brothers clearly seem to have been on the scene of a lot of notable events before, during, and after the Revolution. At the same time, the stories they told or were told about them seem to have gotten even more dramatic in the following years. The tough part is sorting out exactly what is reliable. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-35419262161079839272014-11-19T11:25:36.741-05:002014-11-19T11:25:36.741-05:00I'm researching a particular incident that occ...I'm researching a particular incident that occurred in Sept. 1779 on the Sullivan Expedition. It's well-documented by several of the officer's journals that an old woman was found at Catherine's Town on or about Sept. 1 (several write about it Sept 2). In Maxwell's memoir, he explicitly claims to have saved the old woman. <br /><br><br /><i>[Speaking of the Battle of Newtown] We had a severe fight, but beat the Indians & pursued them through a small Indian Village to Queen Catharine's Town, & found that deserted by all save one.— The Queen alone was left & she too old to get away. She was sitting in the door of her hut, her head perfectly white with old age. I was in front, and stood & gazed on antiquity. An officer came up and took a gun to shoot her. I told him if he did I would shoot him next. Genl. Sullivan came up & approved of what I had done,— treated her kindly,— gave her everything she stood in want of, even to Rum,— gave her a protection and we went on.</i><br /><br><br />His claim that she was Queen Catharine Montour is spurious, and because of the other journals, I doubt his memory on the rest (though they did leave her provisions, there is no mention of leaving her rum…).DoublyHelicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11496402057487172712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-81227621302624367532012-06-16T08:45:00.786-05:002012-06-16T08:45:00.786-05:00People took down Thompson Maxwell's Revolution...People took down Thompson Maxwell's Revolutionary stories in the late 1810s and later, after he had been (probably unjustly) accused of treachery in the surrender of Detroit and lost some property. For much of his recent career he had been out west, where there weren't so many veterans to contradict him. His stories don't survive in his own writing, particularly contemporaneous; people wrote down the stories he told. <br /><br />Nevertheless, as I've written repeatedly, there's plenty of documentation about Maxwell's military service starting in the French & Indian War when he was a teenager. By coincidence, today's posting is about his involvement in the Battle of Bunker Hill. Though there's no corroboration for some of the details in his story, there are contemporaneous documents for his presence. <br /><br />So the question is whether Thompson Maxwell over time let his stories stretch to put him in the Boston Tea Party, at the Saratoga surrender, or in other celebrated events.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-85506407559173548672012-06-16T06:50:54.026-05:002012-06-16T06:50:54.026-05:00What I have read of my Ancestor's Account seem...What I have read of my Ancestor's Account seems very plausible, he was a Major and as an Officer, I am not sure if he would of tried to deceive anyone to gain some kind of acceptance or notoriety. There were to many other people out there that knew the truth and if he was lying or fabricating a story, why is it that someone didn't say...you were not there? In the comments, I see where someone is trying to break down every single word to show what, that he had lied, why is it then someone that may have been there say, that Maxwell is a liar or he wasn't there? Ask a soldier that has been to war for dates and times, you will get all kinds of answers, but Officers have a tendency to write things down as they happen or soon there after...If it is proven that Thompson Maxwell, my ancestor was a good story teller then so be it, I am still very Proud of him and what he accomplished in his life, he is an American Hero...Forest Gump or not....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07236789855099374897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-86272281552331392572012-05-02T15:41:46.183-05:002012-05-02T15:41:46.183-05:00Thanks for the analysis of the Saratoga stories.
...Thanks for the analysis of the Saratoga stories. <br /><br />Some of Thompson Maxwell’s memoirs have a real ring of truth, as in the "hurry up and wait" of military life and the resentment of the mob after Detroit. Alongside those, his statements about the Boston Tea Party and other celebrated events seem improbable and overly dramatized. Yet he drops Hewes's name, which hadn't been part of the legend before. It's maddening!<br /><br />As I recall, many of the stories about older brother Hugh come through his daughter's book rather than words attributed to him. That means they may be less reliable, but there's also an easier explanation for any discrepancies.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-69393156064066942832012-05-02T14:24:31.512-05:002012-05-02T14:24:31.512-05:00I have just started a struggled with Thompson :)
...I have just started a struggled with Thompson :)<br /><br />Your posting encouraged me to read more of his pension application (I normally focus on Page 2 and 3 as that is the meaty stuff and I missed all the other pages). <br /><br />Reading between the various messages and knowing a bit about the Saratoga campaign (an avocation and occupation) - it is very hard to find an individual that was at the three battles of Bennington and Saratoga (2). Thompson would have left Seth Warner's command and some how end up on the Battlefield in the 2nd Battle of Saratoga under Arnold (who did not have a direct command but acquired troops in the 2nd Battle). That is highly questionable - never mind being wounded in two battles. (Warner and his troops do have accounts of being at the surrender - I am not certain but Stark does take troops to close up Burgoyne's escape North.) <br /><br />Francis Parkman in Montcalm and Wolfe also questions an account from the French and Indian War of Thompson Maxwell. <br /><br />One could say Thompson Maxwell and if you add his brother Hugh Maxwell could be called the Forrest Gumps of this period. They have been exposed to so many people. The officers that he worked with in the War of 1812 - Wilkinson and Hull were both at Saratoga. It is an amazing life... <br /><br />But was the life "enhanced" for some reason? I see cause for your question. <br /><br />I got into this research through Hugh Maxwell and I think I will be continuing it for a while if anyone wishes to chat or share.Sean Kelleherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304030755291791475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-44639766925888136742012-05-02T12:35:54.583-05:002012-05-02T12:35:54.583-05:00Contemporaneous documents put the Maxwell brothers...Contemporaneous documents put the Maxwell brothers and their in-laws in the Battle of Lexington and Concord, the Battle of Bunker Hill, and the siege of Boston. So there’s no question the family was part of the war. <br /><br />There’s also a curious document in Thompson Maxwell’s pension application in which his supporters apologize for false claims and ask for lenience because his memory was fading. Unfortunately, that document doesn’t specify the false claims, and the supporting documents don’t seem to be there. <br /><br />During the War of 1812, Maxwell got caught in the surrender of Detroit, and was even mobbed in Ohio by angry Americans. So there was one push to solidify his patriotic credentials. <br /><br />You’re right that Maxwell’s long service in the military shouldn’t have left much doubt about his participation in building the U.S. of A. But if the Tea Party became the litmus test for being a Massachusetts Patriot, and Maxwell had tied his self-image to that role, then he might have felt a tug to putting himself there as well. <br /><br />As I say, I’ve puzzled over Thompson Maxwell for years.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-82500862603921462862012-05-02T07:48:21.504-05:002012-05-02T07:48:21.504-05:00There are two other interesting elements -
1. T...There are two other interesting elements - <br /><br />1. This is most likely a family stretch but Thompson Maxwell sister in law was Bridgett Munroe (from Lexington and married to Hugh Maxwell). Bridgett Munroe's sister Lucy married just a few days before the Tea Party Samuel Hobbs (who also participated in the tea party). So he had another extended family member participating.<br /><br />2. Then in "April 1775 he was again in Boston with his team and went out to Bedford to join the minute men" with his brother in law." I guess he picked important days to make deliveries to Boston. <br /><br />My general comments is you have to question the man's motivation for making up a story. He fought in Rogers Rangers during the FIW, was in Pontiac Rebellion, American Revolution, and War of 1812. He was certainly well known during the day to men of merit. One biographer describes "In 1818 Major Maxwell then seventy six years of age made a horseback tour from Detroit then his home to New England and back for the sole purpose of revisit ing the scenes of his early exploits He died about 1830 aged some eigkty eigbt years and reported to have fought in twenty two desperate battles."<br /><br />One would raise the question to why such a man would lie about this point. Of course that is an impossible question to answer. <br /><br />Nice blog posting on the issue.Sean Kelleherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304030755291791475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-10998081669468830202011-12-16T12:56:11.361-05:002011-12-16T12:56:11.361-05:00Maxwell’s errand to Boston is actually one of the ...Maxwell’s errand to Boston is actually one of the dubious aspects of his story. In the first quotation above, he describes bringing “a load of stores for the poor of the town, which at that time was shut up.” But the British government didn’t shut the port of Boston until <i>after</i> the Tea Party, as a response to it. We could let that pass as confusion from many decades later, but details add up, especially when the burden of proof is on Maxwell.<br /><br />Interestingly, in both the first two quotes Maxwell described <i>loading</i> his wagon at Hancock’s warehouse, suggesting that he moved goods out of town—more likely when the port was open. <br /><br />Given the paranoid aspect of the conflict, I can’t see Hancock or other activists inviting Maxwell into the destruction of the tea unless they knew and trusted him completely already. And none of the stories indicate that they had a reason to do so.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-51083629005299084212011-12-16T10:15:21.498-05:002011-12-16T10:15:21.498-05:00Your conclusions, based on the documentary evidenc...Your conclusions, based on the documentary evidence, are probably right - but the more exciting story doesn't strike me as implausible. Maxwell arrives with goods for the beleaguered residents of Boston, and delivers them to the warehouse of a leading patriot; perhaps he expresses a wish that he could do more. Hancock invites his fellow patriot, a young, strong man entrusted with this mission, to the planning meeting (beyond which JH will keep his distance from the raid). And so on from there.<br /><br />In that light, a key question is whether we can in any way document Maxwell's original mission. If he was in Boston for the reason cited, then other parts of the story become much more likely.Mr Punchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13516357354712554138noreply@blogger.com