tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post4140776277972380171..comments2024-03-28T04:26:30.557-05:00Comments on Boston 1775: Jack Tar on the Web Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-58720044831355267712014-10-22T12:37:24.816-05:002014-10-22T12:37:24.816-05:00Oops! Lost the link for the P.D.F. download.Oops! Lost the link for the <a href="http://journals.psu.edu/phj/article/download/25625/25394" rel="nofollow">P.D.F. download</a>. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-52304204396317959652014-10-22T12:36:02.794-05:002014-10-22T12:36:02.794-05:00I hadn't read Gilje's article before, so I...I hadn't read Gilje's article before, so I looked it up and read it today (P.D.F. download). Thanks! <br /><br />I remembered reading some <a href="https://networks.h-net.org/node/16821/reviews/18806/lynch-gilje-liberty-waterfront-american-maritime-culture-age-revolution" rel="nofollow">H-Net</a> <a href="https://networks.h-net.org/node/950/reviews/1219/cadigan-gilje-liberty-waterfront-american-maritime-culture-age" rel="nofollow">reviews</a> of Gilje’s subsequent book, and <a href="http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-shear&month=0601&week=e&msg=szZtpN4fkxSwH5L9RTXTyg&user=&pw=" rel="nofollow">Gilje’s response to those reviews</a>. Like the article itself, those are very concerned with how his work fits in with what we might call the “Lemisch school” on British-American sailors. <br /><br />Like you, I don’t think Gilje’s work is opposed to Lemisch’s, though it does reach some opposite conclusions. It feels more like an examination of the same subject and material with a more powerful lens, and that naturally produces a more detailed, complex, and nuanced view. The same sailors still have their own economic and political interests and views. Lemisch (writing from the 1960s left) emphasizes those tars as a crucial element of the American Patriotic movement and American history. Gilje (a generation later) points out how their immediate interests didn’t always align with serving the U.S. of A.—something Lemisch would agree with. The next step, if possible, might be a numerical analysis. <br /><br />I suspect Lemisch might have made more of Gilje’s remarks on how American maritime officers demanded better treatment than ordinary sailors, and the stats on how many more officers escaped than men. Ebenezer Fox at one point wrote that he and his fellow seamen couldn’t organize an escape with an officer. I don’t think Lemisch would like that, but it does reflect eighteenth-century social hierarchies. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-35677385597634739732014-10-22T06:04:47.362-05:002014-10-22T06:04:47.362-05:00Thank you for the nod!
I enjoyed reading Lemisch&...Thank you for the nod!<br /><br />I enjoyed reading Lemisch's piece, and was wondering if you had read Paul Gilje's 2000 article "Loyalty and Liberty: The Ambiguous Patriotism of Jack Tar in the American Revolution," and what you thought of it.<br /> <br />I thought it was an interesting counterpoint to (though not entirely a contradiction of) LemischKyle Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13428848890576823316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-69318923442422602892014-10-19T15:45:53.059-05:002014-10-19T15:45:53.059-05:00I subscribe to Don Hagist's blog so I never mi...I subscribe to Don Hagist's blog so I never miss an item. It's on one of the lists at the right under its formal name: British Soldiers, American War. J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28102666.post-10798024694819377052014-10-19T14:17:41.527-05:002014-10-19T14:17:41.527-05:00I'm glad to see British Tars getting some wide...I'm glad to see British Tars getting some wider recognition. I've been following it for awhile now and have found it both entertaining and educational.<br /><br />Were you aware of Don Hagist's wonderful blog redcoat76.blogspot.com? He profiles individual British soldiers there. John Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15768771014487413321noreply@blogger.com